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i'm based in NYC, so i have a VERY small apt and have a really, really fully schedule. however, i do love dogs--hoping you provide some guidance. i find myself a bit overwhelmed by all the info on the web. i'm considering getting a puppy--either a shitzu, lhasa apso or a yorkie.  i need one that's easy to take care of, ideally, one that can be house broken, trained easily and not too barky or yippee.
Small dogs are not easy to housebreak.  All puppies need constant supervision during the house training period - sometimes taking several months.  Most people want to get a small puppy - 2 or 3 months old, not realizing that the dog has no voluntary bowel or bladder control until it is 5 or 6 months old.  They leave the infant pup at home and go to work, expecting that somehow the animal will train itself.  When they end up with a confused pet that messes all over the apartment, they blame the dog and get rid of it.  A very busy person in a small apartment in NYC ought not to consider getting a puppy at all.  With any luck, a cat WILL train itself to use a litter box, and is a better choice for the busy urbanite.  Canines are too high maintenance for the lifestyle you presented.

Cathy


We just purchased a male Lhasa from a pet store here in Utah.  The puppy  was born on December 22, in Kansas.  We were given a one year guarantee  from the pet store against any congenital disease that he may have.  We  felt fairly confident about this especially when we noticed four  champions in his line.  We had not intended on showing our dog but were  planning on possibly breeding him later on just once for family members.

 Since February, we have been to the doctor every 2 weeks and our  veterinarian calls him the "Problem Child".  He first had an upper  respiratory infection that manifested itself the day after we purchased  him.  This lead to hyperglycemia and our puppy wouldn't eat anything.   For 10 days he hadn't eaten anything until his upper respiratory  infection was cleared up through antibiotics after 3 days.  Then the only  thing that we could get him to eat was chicken which lead to allergies  and our Lhasa lost almost all of his hair.  Gratefully, he is now over  those problems and has been growing 1 pound a week and the vet said he  will be 25 pounds,.. Yikes, the book that we read said that a male would  reach 16-18 lbs.  My sister in-law has a female Lhasa that is 5 yrs. old and is only 6 lbs.  Could he really reach 25 lbs?

The latest problem is that he has gotten what they call "Cherry Eye".   Do you know what this is and if so, what should I do about it?  They gave  us three options 1- remove the "cherry" and have to put drops in the eye  the rest of his life.  2- Have vet stitch it back for $100 and hope it  stays.  3- Go to an ophthalmologist and have both eyes stitched up and  guaranteed for $500.  What would you do in this case.  The vet said that  the other eye will probably have the same problem at a future date.

The pet store is not  willing to back their guarantee.  We would never  want to replace our puppy.  However if this condition is hereditary we  would want the breeder to stop breeding more puppies with this condition.    Is this a genetic disease?  Our vet has told us he's not sure but that  if we were to breed this dog the chances that the puppies would have  cherry eye would be about 95%.  Which sounds pretty genetic to me.  Our  vet recommended not  breeding him in the future.  What do you know regarding this?

Dear "Problem Child" Parents:
Your dog is not breeding material.  Cherry eye and size would disqualify him as a stud dog for anyone who is an ethical breeder who breeds for type and health.  Besides, how do you plan to breed without a female? No good breeder would sell you a bitch to breed to your pet-store dog.  You would have to resort to a pet-store female, and end up producing some of the same problems you complain of now.   YOUR VET'S ADVICE IS CORRECT.  You should neuter this dog as soon as he is old enough.

I would not let the vet REMOVE the cherry eye.  It can be tacked down without removal.  However any dog with cherry eye is more likely to develop dry eye in the future.  If you want the best for the dog, go the ophthalmologist route.

Your real problem is that you got your dog from a pet store.  People who breed for pet stores are puppy-mills. (Kansas and Missouri are the leading states in the puppy-mill industry.)  They breed dogs as a cash crop like chickens.  They do not care about genetic disease, and poor results will not keep them from breeding more diseased dogs.  This flood of genetically unfit dogs keeps vets in business and sends their kids to college.

Your dog is only a puppy, so you have not even BEGUN to have problems.  I wish you well, but am saddened by the fact that you did not ask for help BEFORE you bought your dog.  We could have sent you to a breeder and got you a healthy dog, and the constant advice of an expert, dedicated breeder.

Regards, Cathy 



Ms.Marley
I am a student at Ann Street middle school and my name is Angela.  For my language class I have to prove my theories that the Lhasa Apso, Shih tzu and Maltese are related.  I would really like to hear your opinion on the topic so  please email me at xxx  .
Thank you  from a dog lover,  Angela

The Shih-Tzu was developed in China from Apsos sent as gifts to the Manchu Emperors by the rulers of Tibet as early as the 16th century.  The Chinese liked a short-faced look, and no doubt crossed the Tibetan dogs, which had longer noses for breathing in the high Himalayas, to some of their native Chinese dogs, to produce the Shih-Tzu.

The Maltese was known in Mediterranean Europe in antiquity - at least back into the middle ages.  At that time Tibet was entirely unknown to the west.  However, Tibet had links to the West for over two millenia via India, which traded around the Indian Ocean to the coasts of Arabia and Africa.  Small dogs could have been traded along these routes and made it into the Mediterranean.  It is possible that the Maltese is related to the Apso, but we lack direct evidence.  The link with the Shih-Tzu is well established by historical records.


Hi!  I am a first time dog owner and need some advice. We have a 4 month old Lhasa named Molly. She has a great personality and we are really pleased with her. The problem is, we got her for some companionship for our 9 year old son and she, for the most part, appears to be a one person dog-----me. I can see why, as I'm a stay at home Mom and she is always with me. My questions are will she outgrow this a bit as she grows up? She wants me in eye shot constantly, follows me everywhere and is very upset if I am in a closed door room without her. She will play some with our son, but only if I am right in it also.

Secondly, she does fairly well on potty training, yet we really have to keep a good eye on her, or she will sneak off and do her thing. Is this to be expected as a puppy thing, or should be outgrowing this by now? She does go to the door several times a day to go out (and even rings a little bell with her nose so we know she is there), yet she will also sneak into another room right after she has been out and go, (usually wet). Thanks for your help.
Mary Beth

Lhasas - nearly all small dogs - do not like small children. Small children are intimidating - their shrill voices, unpredictable actions and activity level are all threatening to a small dog. In a few years, your son will be different, but then he will not be interested in dogs, but in girls. It is a mistake to get an animal for a child. Usually, by the time a child is truly old enough to take responsibility for an animal, he is too old to want to. It is your dog. Get used to it.

Small dogs have no voluntary control of their bladder or bowels until at least 5 months of age. Until that time, I would confine the pup to an area where accidents don't matter so much - the kitchen?



My lhasa spanky was accosted by some other neighbors pit bull. The pit did not hurt spanky but spanky was so tramatized that he displaced his hip and needs a hip replacement. Very expensive and he has suffered so much pain through the entire experience, as i have!!!  I wonder if i have the right to sue my neighbor for the expenses of the surgery even though the vet i saw told me that it was bound to happen anyway as lashas are great candidates for bad hips . The dog did not physically hurt spanky, but spanky was in a kennel and trying to protect his territory, this would not have happend if the neighbor was taking care of his dog properly. Please email me with your response thank you!!

Sherry,
You can sue, but you will lose. First off, Your Lhasa could not have dislocated a hip this way unless he had a severe case of hip dysplasia. Lhasas as a breed are NOT heavily afflicted with severe hip dysplasia. If your vet said it was bound to happen sooner or later, then your dog had to be almost entirely lacking hip sockets. I don't think you can blame this defect on the pit bull that frightened your dog. If the dog had no physical contact with your dog, there was no trauma other than your dog's own agitation and physical defects to blame. You would be better off seeking some refund - the price of the dog - from the breeder, for selling you a defective animal.  Your vet's opinion notwithstanding, well bred Lhasas do not have bad hips
Regards, Cathy Marley 


We have a wonderful Lhasa dog called Leo, who is nearly twelve years old and still behaves like a puppy. We've been told a few times that he has heart and back problems, and one vet even told us that he shouldn't be let off his lead and he shouldn't be allowed to jump up onto anything. That didn't last. He loves life far too much for him to be kept back (the last 'warning' we got was about three years ago, and he's still going strong !). We will soon be facing a move from UK to California, and we don't know how to handle the move with Leo.  Will he be able to withstand a 12 hour trip, sedated in his carrier, at his age with his heart and kidney problems?

I have a couple of suggestions. First, do not sedate the animal. Get him used to sleeping in his shipping crate by making it his bed for weeks or months before you have to leave. If he regards his crate as a safe and comfortable haven, you will not need to sedate him - which could be dangerous for an old dog. Dogs can easily sleep for 12 hours.

If you are worried about the stress of a 12 hour flight, break it up. Book your flight with a 24 hour (or more) stopover in New York or Boston. It involves paying for a hotel room as an added expense, but why not make a little sightseeing stop?

I have traveled with dogs in airlines many times, and never had problems, because the dogs were used to being transported in crates. I think they slept the whole way, because they looked a whole lot better than I did at the destination! 


My boyfriend Jay and I are the owners of a 5 month old Lhasa Apso puppy named KOBE. We are very interested in breeding him. I read that KOBE should starting the "breeding process" after he turns 1 and if not, then we should get him neutered. Is there any truth to this? Secondly, we are interested in purchasing a female puppy. Will purchasing the puppy now while KOBE is 5 months feasible, or should I wait longer to make the transition easier for KOBE in the long run?

There is a lot to learn before you ever think of breeding. I often ask, "Would you drive over a high bridge when you knew that the architect never had any training in Engineering or Architecture?". Breeding without a good background in genetics and animal husbandry, and a real knowledge of the breed is not good for the health and welfare of the pups produced.

Please read "letter to a would-be breeder" on my website in the articles section. Go to some shows - (see http://www.infodog.com) - learn about the breed. Meet and attach yourselves to a good breeder in your area and learn some more. This is the very best advice I can give you. Begin by buying Carolyn Herbel's "The New Complete Lhasa Apso" - http://www.amazon.com. 


My 4 year old female Lhasa is just perfect, and we bought a new puppy, Lhasa, 11 weeks old and Lily just seems to really not like her, she is moody now and avoids the little one almost 90% of the time, the little one, Daisy, nips and chases Lily relentlessly. Will this pass? We have given her toys play with the puppy and have lavished above and beyond attention to Lily, the 4 yr, old. Any tips on how to get the little one to not be such a bother to Lily?

You also have to remember that little children can be annoying. Most of us, if we are honest, will admit this. Dogs are no different. Puppies can have very rude behavior.  Your female will very likely correct this wild pup if she is offensive.  For a very interesting perspective on this, please read: http://www.flyingdogpress.com/sayhi.html.

Most females will only tolerate their own puppies - they really dislike the pups of other females. In the wild, a mother alpha wolf is the only one in the pack allowed to have puppies. If another female has pups, the alpha female will most often kill them. This is nature's way of controlling the wolf population.
Lhasa bitches sometimes do the same. We have to be very careful to separate them when there are two litters in the house at the same time, or the more dominant bitch may kill the other bitch's pups.

Your older dog was the only dog for a long time. Now you brought a strange bitch's puppy into the house. Her instincts say "kill it!". She does not do that because she senses you do not want her to, but she can't help her attitude. When the pup is over 6 months, you may see a complete change. Once the young one reaches puberty, she will be an adult in the older one's eyes, and then they can have an adult, friendly relationship. Until then, I would be very careful about leaving them alone together.


I am the owner of two Lhasa girls...Maisie I adopted from my local animal control officer and she is a perfect example of the Tibetan model. She's about three years old, grey, hard straight coat, beautiful head. My puppy, who is just about a year old, Gigi, was a birthday gift my from my husband. I'm currently training them to mind the Invisible Fence. So far it's going well. Do you have any information about how Lhasas as a breed do with Invisible Fence? The trainers the company sends seem to be more familiar with Labradors and Golden Retrievers and don't seem to know exactly how to deal with the temperment of these smart little dogs.

My only experience was with a "Scat-Mat". This is a mat that delivers a small static electric shock when the dog steps on it. My daughter used it to keep her Rottweiler out of the living room. My Lhasa looked at it, put her paw on it, got the shock, looked at it again, and jumped over it. It took her exactly 5 seconds to figure out how to defeat the Scat-Mat. I don't know how an invisible fence works, but I do not believe anything short of a real fence will contain a Lhasa. They are thinking dogs, and will figure out a way of doing what they want to. Regards, Cathy 


We have a scruffy, wonderful nine year old Lhasa whose groomer has moved. How do we find out how to groom her? How often to bathe, brush, demat, comb, etc. She is strictly a pet but the smartest little bundle we've ever had. Thank you, in advance, for your time and cooperation.
Sincerely, Sandra Ross E-Mail SRoss1971@worldnet.att.com

Dear Sandra,
Your question can't be answered without knowing the type of coat your dog has. Lhasa coats go from silky to woolly to cottony to correct, hard human-like hair. A bath once a week will keep the hair clean and as manageable as possible. Creme rinse is always used to smooth the hair, then the hair is brushed and combed under a hair-dryer (you can rig a draftsman's lamp arm to a hand dryer so you don't have to waste a hand holding it). With a pinbrush or slicker brush and comb, you groom until the mats are out, and the hair lies smoothly. If you need detailed advice, take the dog to another groomer, who will allow you to watch her groom your dog. Then duplicate her performance at home.
Ed: If anyone wishes to help Sandra with detailed instructions, I'm sure she would be grateful for the info. 



My significant other and I live in Los Angeles, Calif. and have been having serious discussions about acquiring a Lhasa Apso puppy. We are professionals in our 40's and 50's with no children and no other pets. I do not want to purchase from a pet store or from out of state breeders that advertise (i worry about them being puppy mills)

We are most interested in obtaining a puppy that has demonstrated pedigree and assume that this is the best indicator of disposition and adherence to the breed's physical standards. We are not looking to be professional dog show people but i feel i could trust a breeder who adhere's to the professional standard rather than breeding the dog for the puppy mill. Again, quality disposition and good health are our primary goals.

Your web site has been extremely informative. I notice you are in favor of one particular line, I am curious as to what physical attributes we should look for in the puppy we eventually obtain so as not to regret our decision.

Melanie L. Keller usbwest@earthlink.net

Dear Melanie,
You are quite correct in seeking your puppy from experienced breeders who breed to the standard. I wish I could give you the formula for picking the perfect puppy, but It is very difficult to look for physical attributes in puppies - especially young ones. I think you have to look at the parents rather than the puppy. I favor a particular line because In my opinion it seems to carry the heaviest helping of the genes which produce a dog capable of surviving in Tibet. It has what we call "type" - the original type of the Lhasa Apso.  But many other bloodlines are also capable of producing correct type.

It is important to see as many relatives of the prospective puppy as possible - especially the older ones. The older ones - 7 to 10 years - should have all their teeth. This indicates both good genes and good care by the breeder. They should have clear eyes - no cataracts, no corneal scarring, no excessive tearing or protruding third eyelid. They should be obviously sound, capable of running and jumping with ease. They should have proper coats, not soft, cottony or woolly, but hard and straight like human hair. Their skins should be clean, they should not be scratching or show other evidence of skin problems.

The puppy itself should be clean and plump. By 8 weeks, it should be running and playing actively, and have good coordination and a high energy level. Eyes and ears should be clear and clean.
CM 



We have a six month old male Lhasa. We have to make a decision soon. Should we breed him or have him neutered? He can be fully registered and has great character. Light tan with beautiful black markings on face and tail. We are not experts, but we think he's a good looking guy. Problem: at six months, he weighs 22 pounds! Would breeders be interested in breeding to a larger dog? We would prefer to neuter but don't want to take him out of the gene pool if his size would be beneficial to the breed. Your comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Edwin J. Noonan

Dear Edwin,
Breeders are very choosey about the males they use to perpetuate the breed. Our decisions are based on a number of considerations:

1. The Breeder.
     a. Has the breeder of that dog had a long record as a breeder of exceptional dogs?
     b. How does he/she go about selecting dogs to be bred?
     c. Can I visit this breeder and go over a number of representative dogs from the same family?

2. The Dog.
     a. Is he the epitome of the breed as I see it? Most breeders want a male that weighs from 15 to 18 lbs, and  stands from 10 to 11 inches at the top of the shoulder. We do not want a massive, heavy boned dog, an atypically large dog, or a very fine, toyish dog.
     b. Does he have the correct temperament?
     c. Does he have the correct movement?
     d. Does he have a good quality, fast growing, easily groomed coat?
     e. Is his conformation ideal in all respects?
     f.  Has this dog demonstrated his ability to produce excellent puppies?

3. The Pedigree.
     a. Is that pedigree consonant with the pedigree of my bitch? Some families have characteristics that I do not want in my dogs. Some families have characteristics that my bitch lacks.
     b. Is the pedigree close enough to ensure that what I see is what I get, but not so close that I may get problems?
     c. What kind of show records did each ancestor have?

4. Health.
     a. Are there any hereditary problems in the background of the dog?
     b. How many generations of his ancestors are available for me to see and go over with my hands.
     c. How long have the ancestors lived? How fertile was each and every ancestor?
     d. Has he and his ancestors been xrayed for hip dysplasia, checked for patellar luxation, and examined for PRA and lens luxation?
     e. Has the dog been tested for brucellosis and other venereal diseases?
     f. Have any of his ancestors been allergic, or had skin problems?

For these reasons and many others, breeders almost never use a pet dog belonging to an individual. No matter how beautiful that dog may be, we simply cannot ever have the necessary information about him. Remember that a good breeder is responsible for each and every puppy we breed for the rest of its life, so we are not going to take any chances on what we bring into the world.

If you want to breed your dog, you would have to purchase your own female. Breeding these two without any information about their background would be a "crapshoot" at best. Another consideration is that a dog which is used at stud often becomes more aggressive and territorial, and may begin marking your house. Instead of a well behaved pet, you now own a sex maniac. My advice would be to neuter your pet dog, especially since a dog as large as you describe is already "out of specs."
Catherine


I intend to buy a dog this spring and I have not decided yet which breed I will get. I have read a bit on Lasa Apso. Would you kindly tell me if the majority of those dogs enjoy a good walk. I am used to have a large dog and I was wondering if being a small dog they still can have an 1/2 hour walk without being too tired? I hear that the Lasa do not shed is it true. Thank you for your help
Michelle Horan

Dear Michelle,
Lhasas used to accompany the Tibetan nomads across hundreds of miles of difficult terrain. If you raise them to enjoy a walk, they will. All dogs shed, just like all people do. Most dogs shed their hairs after they reach a few inches in length, but a Lhasa may keep its hairs until they reach as much as 18 inches. This means that the hair is shed much less frequently, but all hairs eventually go dormant and are shed - dogs, people, all mammals.
Cathy 


Hello, I am looking for a small-medium breed of dog for my family. I have three children ages 2,4,and 6. Obliviously, the dog needs to be somewhat tolerant and playful. Do Lhasas blend well with children? I have read conflicting information and would like to get a clear response. The priority for me is to find a compatible breed of dog for us. I am a homemaker and most of my time is spent at home. I am gone collectively throughout the day about 3 to 4 hours. Some of that time the dog may ride with me because I am just dropping children at practice or school of some kind. This is a little bit of a background of what home life would be for a Lhasa, would this breed work well within it?
Sincerely, Julie

Dear Julie,
You have to understand what Lhasa Apsos are. The Lhasa is a primitive breed, kept by the nomads of central Asia. Tibet was not settled into towns until the 7th century. This is a wild place, and the domestic animals are still half-wild. Lhasas were first introduced to the West about 70 years ago. They are actually working dogs, like a Doberman. They were bred to be watch dogs. This means they are intensely territorial, and very discriminating - loyal to their "pack" and suspicious if not hostile to members of "foreign packs". You see this in wolves, who will kill a strange wolf if it ventures into their pack's territory.

Because of their strong pack instincts, they are also very "rank conscious" A Lhasa always wants to know precisely where he fits into the rank order of his pack - (your family). Rank is established experimentally through attempts at domination. If the human successfully dominates the Lhasa, the Lhasa will respect and defer to him. If not, the Lhasa will be aggressive if and when that person crosses him.

Busy moms may not have the time to realize what is going on in the dog's head, and may miss the opportunity to train the animal. Lhasas are very intelligent, and independent, and if they are not trained they simply assume they are in charge. Small kids may be considered to be the dog's pack inferiors, especially if the dog is able to frighten them at the very beginning. A Lhasa will usually not challenge a kid over 6, which is why I usually insist children be 6 or more before I sell a dog to that family. It just isn't fair to the dog or the kids to create a situation with built-in difficulties.

And of course the neighbor children may be considered to be members of a foreign pack, and treated accordingly. Thus, a Lhasa may be very protective and tolerant of the kids in its own family, if the kids and dog have learned their respective places, but you may still have a problem in getting a Lhasa to accept your children's friends.

There are individual Lhasas who love kids. I had a young male who adored little ones 0 to 6, but he was unusual. If the animal is true to its heritage, it is a stubborn, loyal, independent, social climbing, alert, suspicious, watchdog. When you have a well socialized and well trained one, they are wonderful. If you have one who was left to train himself, it can be your worst nightmare.

There are less complicated breeds, but all dogs need training, and you have to have the time and knowledge to do it. No animal, despite all the Lassie stories in the world, is completely reliable with small kids. I would wait a few years if I were you.
Catherine 


I am thinking of buying a lhasa apso, but am unsure of the living conditions suitable for him. I live in a one bedroom apartment and work 12-hour shifts three days a week. how are they alone for that amount of time at one period? and i was also told that instead of buying from the classified, it would be best to buy from a certified breeder and buy a puppy that is not of show quality?
Heidi

Dear Heidi,
Leaving a dog alone for 12 hours at a time is an invitation to bad habits . Such an animal is likely to become dirty or destructive, unless placed in a crate while you are gone. Dogs sleep quite a lot, so the crate is not such a hardship for an adult, already socialized dog.

However, for a puppy, this type of childhood is disastrous. Dogs are social animals. Puppies need the company of other creatures in order to develop mentally. You have to think of the puppy exactly as you would a child. Would you leave a small child alone for 12 hours, 3 times a week, confined to a small area, even if you knew the child would be perfectly safe?

Most ethical hobby breeders would not sell you a puppy under the circumstances you describe. Not because they disapprove, but because they know what trouble and neurotic behavior will result from such an upbringing.  An adult dog is your best bet, though even adults have an inborn need for company. The dog may be lonely, but if it was raised normally, it will be able to tolerate periods of isolation.

As for where to find a dog, There are no such things as "certified breeders", unless you mean commercial puppy mills, which may have some type of Dept. of Agriculture certificates. Stay away from this kind of "certified" breeder. The Hobby breeders, people like myself, who have bred and shown our dogs for most of our lives have no such certificates.

Be very wary of people who have "show puppies". After breeding these dogs for 25 years, I still cannot tell if a puppy will be show material until it is at least 6 to 10 months old. Even then I'm often wrong.

You will have to be the judge of whether you really need a dog under your present circumstances, Just remember that a puppy's needs for social interaction are very much the same as those of a small child - perhaps even greater, because canines have such a strong "pack" behavior "hard-wired" in their brains. I know you will come to the right decision for you.

Cathy 



Hi! I decided to check out web pages on Lhasas since my Mom's lhasa, Teddy, has recently had to have back surgery. My parents recently got back just in time from a vacation to find that Teddy was having what seemed to be small convulsions. My parents immediately took him to our vet and found out that he had some kind of neurological problem with his back. Well, unfortunately, they did have to operate. Apparently, as the doctor said, it was something natural amongst dogs that have long backs and short legs. He said that in all the time he has been a doctor that he has done at least 1,000 of these operations and that it was highly typical amongst dogs with long backs and short legs. My question is if you find this a lot amongst lhasas?

We adopted Teddy almost a year ago at the age of 2-3 yrs (his age we arent exactly sure on) from a friend of mine. She found Teddy through a lhasa rescue that she called where they told her at what pound she could get Teddy. Anyways like I asked before...is this common amongst lhasas?
Ellen

Dear Ellen,
I have heard of Lhasas with herniated disk disease, but not any recently in the show community. One reason for this is that responsible show-hobby breeders are very careful NOT to breed any dogs from pedigrees where this problem has occurred. The Lhasa is only long backed in relation to its leg length. It does not have a long back in proportion to its head and neck and muscular structure. It only has slightly shortened legs. Greyhounds, for instance, are also relatively long backed, but because of the arched structure of their backs and their fantastic musculature, almost never have back problems. The problem is not the length of the back, but the bony structure and the muscles supporting it.

One of the factors that seems to be associated with back problems is a hollow, or sway back. In the original 1901 description of the Lhasa we find the words " All the best specimens have a slight arch at the loin and the back should not be too short; it should be considerably longer than the height at the withers. The dog should be well ribbed up, with a strong loin and well developed quarters and thighs." What this is saying is that the back, though long, is strong because of a slight "keystone" arch, a long supportive ribcage, and very strong muscle development. Some Lhasas today have a tipped up pelvis and a hollowed back , combined with poor musculature. I believe this type of back is structurally unsound, and I have avoided it in my dogs. Perhaps this is why I have never had a dog with back problems, despite the fact that my dogs average 35% to 45% longer than tall.

Your poor little Teddy came from a shelter, and you have no way of knowing what problems he inherited. This points out one of the main reasons to buy a healthy dog from an experienced hobby breeder. You know what you are getting, and you have someone to advise you in case of trouble. It is wonderful that people rescue unwanted pets and give them loving homes, but it is often heartbreaking and expensive - as your parents have found out. I hope Teddy gets well and lives a long and happy life, but next time, get your dog from a breeder.
Cathy 


We just bought a Lhasa Apso about 5 days ago. Her name is Chloey and she's obviously beautiful. My question is the people before us that had her cut her hair short in the face and under the legs, and I was wondering how long it would take for it to grow back? We haven't been able to find an answer at all on the web. If you have a response , I would appreciate it very much.
Thank you, Nick

Hello Nick,
Hair on dogs, just like people, grows at the rate of 0.5 to 0.75 inches a month. It takes a Lhasa approximately 2 years to develop a long coat, and some even longer. We consider a Lhasa to be fully coated at about 3. So your dog will have some respectable whiskers in about 6 months, and a nice beard at 1 year from now.
Catherine 


I was wondering if anyone knows about how to treat chronic skin problems in a Lhasa. My Lhasa is only going on 4 and for about the last year and a half he has had a constant skin problem under his arms, between his toes, around his mouth and ocassionally it appears on his back. The Animal Hospital I take him to has had him on one antibotic after another, different shampoos, different diets, nothing works. I'm at my wits end. The odor is gagging and he cries alot. If anyone has any advice or knows where I can get some I would appreciate it.
Sincerely, Teresa

Dear Teresa,
I really can't give any advice except to go back to the Vet.  I have no experience with skin problems.  I have heard of lines which have hereditary allergic skin conditions, such as Sebaceous Adenitis, but there are food allergies, flea allergies, fungus and mite infestations, and bacterial infections, as well.. Unless you have a medical diagnosis, it is impossible to know how to treat it. Please read the articles on skin in the health section.
Catherine

Dear Cathy
would like to respond to Theresa if I may, regarding her Lhasa's skin problem. I too have a 4 year old and for the last year and a half or so she has had skin eruptions. I call them "pimples" . She gets a bump, then it festers and scabs over and leaves flakes when it is healing. After umpteen visits to our vet and many doses of antibiotics with little or no result, I delved into my many dog books and came up with the following. Her hair was to the floor, so I cut it for the summer, left a skirt, but not long. Then I began using HyLyte Shampoo for dogs that is for skin disorders, bacterial problems, etc. and I bought from my vet some oatmeal creme rinse. Also, after drying her and combing out I would dab just a bit of pure aloe vera gel on each sore, rubbing it in really good. (I also tried to bathe her in the heat of the day so she could dry outside while I brushed her, the hairdryer tends to dry their skin out) At first I bathed her once a week, now it's every 3 weeks and her skin has improved immensely, with only one or two bumps now and then.
"Anne Baker" <r18550@email.sps.mot.com>


Dear Cathy,
I have two adorable Lhasas - Fraiser and Lilith, which I have had almost two years now. To this day Frasier will still have an occasional "accident". But Lily never does...and this is why. When Lily went into her first heat we put a baby pamper on her. This helped in two respects: the obvious - so she wouldn't mess up anywhere, and secondly it kept Frasier away. Once and only once did she wet in it and she went absolutely nuts. But it cured the problem. Now I never have to worry about her no matter where she is - pamper on or not!

I just figured this might be helpful with anyone who's having trouble house breaking there female Lhasas.

Regards, Christine McPheator

Thanks, Christine


I came across your page while searching for Lhasa Apso. I have consecutively owned two Lhasa's (one for 18 years, one for 16). These are such lively, affection companions. Unfortunately, mine passed away in November (I swear my heart is still broken). I am finally in the mood to investigate a new baby (Llahsa). I happened to spot one at a pet store, Critters, in Boise, Idaho. She's a beautiful little white bundle of fur with blue eyes, and a light brown nose. Recently there have been numerous articles on purchasing only from reputable breeders. Do you have any recommendations or facts that I should be aware of prior to purchase. I'm considering breeding this beautiful breed as well. Any suggestions? I live in Boise, Idaho. Do you have any breeders in my area that I might investigate? All I know about this cute little puppy is that she is from Kansas.
Thanks,Shelli

Dear Shelli,
The pet shop puppy you have looked at was undoubtedly commercially bred in a puppy farm in Kansas. The only consideration these breeders have is profit. They do not research pedigrees for inherited problems.  They obviously do not care whether their Apsos look the part. ( The standard specifies dark brown eyes and a black nose).  They do not care about temperament, coat quality, allergies or other congenital diseases, - anything except getting that pup to market, just like a chicken or pig.

I have attached a list of American Lhasa Apso Club breeders in Idaho and the surrounding areas. I hope this is helpful in making your choice.
Catherine 


I am new to the internet and in a Lhasa search found you. I was very interested in all the letters from other Lhasa owners. Spike is 15 years old now and has been a very important part of my life for the last 13 years. Before the age of two Spike had already had 3 owners and had been abused by the first owner. Poor Spike had a very hard first year with me as he had never had his shots nor been checked for worms. He also was very shaggy as he had not been groomed properly and had developed and eye infection.

We got through that first year and and thirteen more. He is the pet of the neighborhood and though some neighbors may not know my name, they all know Spike, as he loves all children and old people. For several years Spike and I went to the childrens hopsital every week to visit the children and he and they both loved it. Now Spike is getting older and had a kidney problem.

I found that when I had my brother living here for a few months (with his cat), Spike really became very active and playful. So when he left I got a Kitty for Spike. Spike and Tuxedo are great buddies at all times except meal time. Tuxedo likes to eat Spike's food but Spike has gotten aggressive and stands his ground. I would like to hear from other Lhasa owners . Please write and tell me about your pets.
Barbara   PetLover@prodigy.net

It's great to hear about a "Spike" who has such a beautiful relationship with his human world.  I think Barbara would like to hear from other Lhasa owners. 


Hi,
I have just purchased a second Lhasa Apso. We thought we would get a companion for our first. Carmen is 2 l/2 years old and a really sweet natured Lhasa. The new addition, Mugsey, is now 3 months. We got her at 10 weeks. She is really cute but far more agressive than Carmen. It is starting to look like she is going to dominate the older dog. What is the best way for us to handle this. Should we let them fight it out or should we try and help the older one be boss.
Kit

Dear "Kit",
Dominance is dictated by many factors, not least of which is the genetic temperament of the animal. It sounds like the puppy is just one of those dominant personalities. There is absolutely nothing you can do to make her less dominant, or make your older one more so. They are what God made them. You had best let them work it out between themselves. Since your older one seems to be submissive, the younger one will probably eventually become the leader and boss dog. In the short term,  the little one will successfully bully the big, easy-going one until she has had enough. Then the big one will remind the little one of their size and age difference.  If you let them come to their own understanding, they will eventually work it out.
Catherine 


Dear Cathy,
I have a problem dog who blows her coat EVERY time she goes into heat! Cookie should be a champion by now (according to breeders and judges who know her), but I am new at this and do not know any methods to help prevent this. Cookie loves to show and actually smiles the whole time she is in the ring. Judges and everyone who meets her loves her. My daughter, 11, has shown her for 2 years now and they have done quite well for beginners. Do you know any vitamins that might help this problem? I recently have started feeding both Lhasas Dog Bloom, but don't know whether this will help.
Thanks, Gail

Dear Gail,
Blowing coat after a season is normal. Some bitches seem to do this more than others, but almost all bitches lose some coat after their seasons. Only the very heavy coated ones - that have so much coat that you don't miss what is lost, look the same all the time. Hair growth and loss in under hormonal control. Women often lose a lot of hair during pregnancy, and certainly after menopause. The treatment for bitches is spaying. But then you can't breed or show them. That's why there are so many male specials as opposed to bitches. Can't fight Mother Nature!

I have two bitches that had to be stripped in order to show them. These two have so much hair - enough for four dogs each. They always looked best AFTER a season - then they had lost enough that you can make out a dog under all that hair! I guess the answer again is genetics - breed into a line whose bitches tend to be densely coated, and who throw a minimum of coat with their seasons.

When I first started in dogs, I tried fighting with Mother Genetics, looking for something I could DO to make the dogs better in some respect. At this point I have reconciled myself to the fact that SHE is in charge, and if I want something changed, I have to breed it!

Good luck, Cathy 


Dear Ms. Apso,
We recently adopted a Lhasa from the humane society. We know almost nothing about her history, accept what we have learned since she came home to us. She has become very attatched to my 6yr. old daughter. She seems to think that her bed is with my daughter. The problem is that our other dog, a shepherd mix has been sleeping with my daughter for the last year and our new family member "Shelby" is unwilling to share the room. I tried to remove Shelby from my daughters bed and she make it quite clear that she intended to Stay! How can I fix this without her thinking that Im the Bad new Owner? Thank you for any help you may be able to provide.
Cathy

Dear Cathy,
Take the Shepherd to bed with you. You will never succeed in evicting a Lhasa from it's designated bed. This is one area where we will not compromise!
Abby 


Dear Ms. Apso,
My experience has been with owning a Lhasa as a companion around the home for my wife and I. My original Lhasa whose now gone, I will call Tuffy, was a registered purebed. He passed on two years ago and I swore I would not go through that again, but the loss was too great. Beauregard Kensington III soon made an appearance at our home, Nicknamed "Bo".  I really missed what I call the Lhasa flop, (Laying on the floor with hindquarters spead eagled), watching whatever was going on through sleepy eyes, but not only did Tuffy do that Bo does the same. They are one of the nicest animals that a dog owner can ever have.  Our Lhasa's have been helpful in many ways and they have paid their way many times over. Our experience with their little problems have all been overcome with loving and veterinary care. Thank you for the chance to express this. I will never be without a Lhasa.
Don

Dear Don,
Thank you for sharing your evident love for the breed.  May you always have a beautiful Lhasa for a friend.
Abby 


Dear Dr. Apso
My husband and I have recently been purchased by a 14 week old Lhasa female. Gidget stole our hearts and now lives with us, the 3 year old cat, and two birds. I am surpised at Gidget's abilities. She was housebroken in less than a week and is very smart. (don't we all say that??) But I was under the impression that Cairn's took the cake when it came to being bull headed. I was WRONG. This is one stubborn girl. One example is Gidget will walk on a lead only on grass. Seriously, she flatly refuses to walk on cement or gravel, she will lay down and refuse to move....any suggestions? help...
Debb

Dear Debb,
We Lhasas are highly intelligent and very manipulative. We believe in training our human pets from the very beginning. We remember everything - especially unpleasant things, and we vow immediately never to repeat the experience!

If your girl is a gourmand, perhaps she will walk for food. A cousin of mine had to be persuaded with food. After a few days she took one step, for which she was rewarded with a piece of liver. The next day she took two steps. This went on for a month. After she got to 30 steps, she finally agreed to walk, but she still expects a reward when she comes home. Cathy thanks you for your comments on our page. It was my idea you know!
Abby 


Hi!
We are looking for a small dog to live with us in an apt. in Cambridge and have been told about l.a.'s as great dogs. We're wondering whether they're high maintenance in terms of grooming or other aspects? Thanks for your tips. Much thanks.
Catherine

Dear Catherine,
Lhasa Apsos are the ultimate pet. However it is often uncertain who is the pet and who is the master.

I once gave a female puppy, 5 months old, to a friend of my mother. She was a nurse, and her husband was a chemical engineer. Her two boys were Princeton University students at the time. When I went to visit the puppy some 9 months later, she greeted me pleasantly, and placed a toy beside me. I was immediately warned not to touch her toy, because she would bite me if I did. On further questioning I was told they were not allowed to touch her bed, her toys, her food dish, (unless it was empty) etc. But if they observed her restrictions, she was perfectly affable. I told the family how amazing it was that a small dog managed to train 4 University educated humans, in the space of only a few months. She evidently so enjoyed her power, she believed that training of humans should commence immediately whenever she encountered a new one.

The moral of this story is that you have a limited time in which to teach your little friend who is who. Once the opportunity is missed, you can have a little tyrant on your hands. However, because of their independent and unique intelligence, once you have been owned by a good Lhasa Apso, any other breed of dog is "just a dog". When compared with the pyschological aspects of raising an Apso, maintenence is a minor consideration, provided you get one with a proper hard, straight coat. (Ask to see the adult relatives. Avoid the "ball of fluff" puppy in favor of one whose coat seems to lie flat on the body)
Cathy 


I have a Lhasa and she is 12 months I hve never shown her. I dont know if I really want to. She is sweet, gentle, great with children and loving to everyone. I have read many articles that say just the opposite about lhasa's. Is she rare? I would like to get more info. I have written to the local Lhasa club but have never received any info. Please E Mail with info. Thanks
Barb

Dear Barbara,
Properly reared Lhasas are sweet, gentle and good with children. The problem with Lhasas is their intelligence, and their independence. There are quite a few Lhasas who are dominant personalities, who attempt to achieve alpha status in their pack. (the pack in this case is their human family). Combine this with an extreme awareness of strangers as a possible threat, and you have an animal which needs early and continued socialization and a firm hand. Many families are unable to provide that. Added is the difficulty of imagining that this precious little ball of fluff has the nature of a rather primative guard dog, and must be raised with discipline. Of course there are those Lhasas who are naturally submissive and tractable, but the majority are as the standard describes them, chary of strangers, and stubbornly willing to strive for pack boss status. This latter quality makes it difficult to house a group of Lhasas together, as they are competitive and serious fights can occur.

You evidently have one of the submissive ones. I have had many of these over the years, usually males. These were dogs I could swing by the tail if I had a mind to, and the dog would have placidly accepted this treatment. I have also had the other kind, who are constantly testing me for weakness, and who have to be reminded of their place on a regular basis.

I hope this answers your question. Lhasas are very complicated creatures, and have as much variation in character as humans do.

Catherine



Dear Ms. Apso,
Please guide me on how to locate someone who would be interested in providing stud service to our 18 month old female Lhasa.  My female Lhasa is presently in Miami Beach for the winter, and most likely will be bred in Florida.  I am, however, currently in New Jersey and if I happen to stay here through the winter she will be back up here for the spring and summer (what a lucky dog).
Thanks for any help that you can give me.
Elia

 I have a male in NJ, but I normally have to know a great deal about a bitch  before using my male on her.  I have to research her pedigree.  She has to be  tested for brucellosis,  Her vaccinations have to be up to date.  She has to be  x-rayed for hip dysplasia, and patella luxation, and her eyes examined for PRA.  All of these things should be performed to make sure that we are not creating  substandard puppies.

 Breeders are very choosey about the animals they use to perpetuate the breed.   Our decisions are based on a number of considerations:

1. The Breeder of the animal in question.

a. Has the breeder of that dog had a long record as a breeder of  exceptional dogs?
b. How does he/she go about selecting dogs to be bred?
c. Can I visit this breeder and go over a number of representative dogs  from the same family?
 2. The Dog.
a. Is he/she the epitome of the breed as I see it?  Most breeders want a male  that weighs from  14   to 18 lbs, and  stands from 10 to 11 inches at the top of  the shoulder, and a female slightly smaller. We do not want a massive, heavy boned dog, an atypically large  dog, or a very fine, toyish dog.
b. Does he/she have the correct temperament?
c. Does he/she have the correct movement?
d. Does he /shehave a good quality, fast growing, easily groomed coat?
e. Is his/her conformation ideal in all respects?
 f.  Has this dog/bitch demonstrated ability to produce excellent puppies?
 3. The Pedigree.
a. Is that pedigree consonant with the pedigree of my dog/bitch? Some families  have characteristics that I do not want in my dogs. Some families have  characteristics that my animal lacks.
b. Is the pedigree well known enough to ensure that what I see is what I get,  but not so close that I may get problems?
c. What kind of show records did each ancestor have?
 4. Health.
a. Are there any hereditary problems in the background of the animal?
b. How many generations of his ancestors are available for me to see and go
 over with my hands.
c. How long have the ancestors lived? How fertile was each and every
 ancestor?
d. Has he and his ancestors been x-rayed for hip dysplasia, checked for
 patellar luxation, and examined for PRA and lens luxation?
e. Has the aanimal been tested for brucellosis and other venereal diseases?
f. Have any of his ancestors been allergic, or had skin problems?
 For these reasons and many others, breeders almost never breed to a pet dog or bitch  belonging to an individual. No matter how beautiful that animal may be, we simply  cannot ever have the necessary information about him. Remember that a good  breeder is responsible for each and every puppy we breed for the rest of its  life, so we  are not going to take any chances on what we bring into the world.

 Secondly, I have to know why you want to breed your pet, and to be quite sure  you understand everything you will have to do in order to care for the bitch and  her pups, - the proper equipment etc.  To properly rear a litter is expensive  and time consuming.

Then I want to know how you mean to dispose of this litter, ensuring that each one of them is in a trustworthy home that will not, in turn, breed them and contribute the pet overpopulation problem.

Finally, I want you to be sure that you understand what expenses are involved:
 
Stud fee 
 puppy pen 
 whelping box 
 sheepskins 
 heat lamp 
 surgical clamp 
 cloth diapers 
 prenatal vitamins 
 prenatal vet   (x-rays, brucellosis test) 
 vet for litter (4 pups) 
 extra food 
 $ 500
 $ 200
 $ 100
 $   50 (washable bedding)
 $   30
 $   25
 $   10
 $   10
 $  150 
 $  240 (2 exams two shots each)
 $    40
 ---------------------------------
 $1255

 This is assuming a very uncomplicated delivery.  If you run into trouble, it can  cost another $500 for a c-section, and you could end up having to hand feed the  litter (every 2 hours round the clock).

 Again, please read the article: http://www.lhasa-apso.org/articles/breeder.htm

Regards, Cathy